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Default Is Zuma Fit To Be A President? - 02-06-2010, 07:35 PM

I don't know about you, but I think Jacob Zuma has got problems with women. What do you think?

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Default 02-07-2010, 12:03 AM

What is the problem he has with women?
What has that got to do with his fitness to be president?
These are the things you have to posit to have a meaningful debate...
have a good one

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Default 02-08-2010, 07:21 AM

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I don't know about you, but I think Jacob Zuma has got problems with women. What do you think?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/africa/8502229.stm
Sire, Comrade Jacob Zuma is perfectly fit to be the President of the Republic of South Africa. He has done nothing constitutionally wrong to suggest the opposite. He can decide to engage and marry all the women in South Africa if they would accept to take him for their husband. Unless of course your intentions are not genuine…the Comrade is just doing his constitutionally mandated job well
   
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Sire, Comrade Jacob Zuma is perfectly fit to be the President of the Republic of South Africa. He has done nothing constitutionally wrong to suggest the opposite. He can decide to engage and marry all the women in South Africa if they would accept to take him for their husband. Unless of course your intentions are not genuine…the Comrade is just doing his constitutionally mandated job well
He said sorry which means he thought he had done something wrong. Do not forget that he is leading a campaign against AIDS and he is asking people to practice safe sex. I have nothing against him marrying the women he wants.

The problem in this case is an extramarital affair which is different. As you might know by now head of states are seriously advised against that, because they can be blackmailed. I prefer him to Mbeki but he is letting me down with this sorts of behaviour.
   
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Default 02-08-2010, 09:43 AM

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He said sorry which means he thought he had done something wrong. Do not forget that he is leading a campaign against AIDS and he is asking people to practice safe sex. I have nothing against him marrying the women he wants.

The problem in this case is an extramarital affair which is different. As you might know by now head of states are seriously advised against that, because they can be blackmailed. I prefer him to Mbeki but he is letting me down with this sorts of behaviour.
What behaviour are you talking about? why should you prefer him to Comrade Mbeki?
   
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What behaviour are you talking about? why should you prefer him to Comrade Mbeki?
The extramarital affairs. At least he recognized that South Africa has got AIDS problem and he is trying to do something about it unlike Mbeki who was not interested until the people started protesting about his policies regarding HIV/AIDS before he started doing something by then a lot of people have lost their lives needlessly.

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The extramarital affairs.
Thank You Sire but you are yet to answer the second question as to why you prefer Comrade Zuma to Comrade Mbeki?
   
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He said sorry which means he thought he had done something wrong. Do not forget that he is leading a campaign against AIDS and he is asking people to practice safe sex. I have nothing against him marrying the women he wants.

The problem in this case is an extramarital affair which is different. As you might know by now head of states are seriously advised against that, because they can be blackmailed. I prefer him to Mbeki but he is letting me down with this sorts of behaviour.
Saying Sorry is not an indication of having done something wrong.....I will much more think it is an indication of regret.... You must also reflect under what circumstances he said it. It was more of a political appeasement than true feelings.

What has safe sex got to do with his attitude? These are two consenting adult who agreed ( far as we know) to have wet and wild sex.. what is unsafe about that? if having bareback ie wet and wild sex is unsafe, then maybe we should kiss humanity good bye, because inevitably people would have bareback sex and that include yours truly.

Which heads of state are subjected to blackmail by extramarital affairs? Please do not use western standard to Judge our comrade.... I have not head a single case of extramarital blackmail in Africa...that concept is foreign which the likes of you want to impose on mother Africa.

You just like to make blanket statement without any substance... what behavior are you talking about? Is it against South African law to have extra marital affairs? Is it against South African law to have more than one woman and or wife? Was it a rape case or she willing accepted the joyous baton of comrade Zuma?

Those who are clamoring are seeking to extract political mileage in a country or continent where having multiple women has never been an issue. Granted it is becoming an issue not because of AIDS but rather as i stated previously due to importation of a foreign culture.
   
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Default 02-09-2010, 10:31 AM

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Saying Sorry is not an indication of having done something wrong.....I will much more think it is an indication of regret.... You must also reflect under what circumstances he said it. It was more of a political appeasement than true feelings.

What has safe sex got to do with his attitude? These are two consenting adult who agreed ( far as we know) to have wet and wild sex.. what is unsafe about that? if having bareback ie wet and wild sex is unsafe, then maybe we should kiss humanity good bye, because inevitably people would have bareback sex and that include yours truly.

Which heads of state are subjected to blackmail by extramarital affairs? Please do not use western standard to Judge our comrade.... I have not head a single case of extramarital blackmail in Africa...that concept is foreign which the likes of you want to impose on mother Africa.

You just like to make blanket statement without any substance... what behavior are you talking about? Is it against South African law to have extra marital affairs? Is it against South African law to have more than one woman and or wife? Was it a rape case or she willing accepted the joyous baton of comrade Zuma?

Those who are clamoring are seeking to extract political mileage in a country or continent where having multiple women has never been an issue. Granted it is becoming an issue not because of AIDS but rather as i stated previously due to importation of a foreign culture.

I know this incorrigible Imhotep... what I had not pinpointed about him is his penchant for eroticism....

What is is this wet and wild..., joyous baton...and the rest..hm?...lol

Anyway, remember polygamy does not preclude the accepted norm, thus, you could marry 1000 like Solomon... no qualms! But, all of them must be through the accepted norm in the relevant culture. If you marry 999 through the proper procedure and impregnate one person without having seen their parents for her hand in marriage, you have had extramarital affair and must be brought to book.

Zuma apologized for doing the latter, remorsefully or not. He is not a good example in terms of self discipline. His records betray him.
   
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Default 02-09-2010, 02:05 PM

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Thank You Sire but you are yet to answer the second question as to why you prefer Comrade Zuma to Comrade Mbeki?
Read my reply again because I gave you my reason.

At least he recognized that South Africa has got AIDS problem and he is trying to do something about it unlike Mbeki who was not interested until the people started protesting about his policies regarding HIV/AIDS before he started doing something by then a lot of people have lost their lives needlessly.

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